deltachat

<p>What are the main obstacles for you to adopt usage of <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> apps with your families, friends or communities? </p><p>if you have other issues than the poll options please add to the replies. Oh, and those who are also living through heat waves: stay hydrated, and remind everyone else :)</p> <div class="poll"> <h3 style="display: none;">Options: </h3> <ul> <li> <label class="poll-option"> <input style="display:none" name="vote-options" type="checkbox" value="0"> <span class="poll-number" title="135 votes">68%</span> <span class="poll-option-text">can&#x27;t get my folks to install another app</span> </label> </li> <li> <label class="poll-option"> <input style="display:none" name="vote-options" type="checkbox" value="0"> <span class="poll-number" title="59 votes">30%</span> <span class="poll-option-text">lack of audio/video calls</span> </label> </li> <li> <label class="poll-option"> <input style="display:none" name="vote-options" type="checkbox" value="0"> <span class="poll-number" title="16 votes">8%</span> <span class="poll-option-text">lack of Sealed-Sender/PQC/Forward-secrecy</span> </label> </li> <li> <label class="poll-option"> <input style="display:none" name="vote-options" type="checkbox" value="0"> <span class="poll-number" title="68 votes">34%</span> <span class="poll-option-text">haven&#x27;t used it (enough) myself yet</span> </label> </li> </ul> <div class="poll-footer"> <span class="vote-total">199 votes</span> &mdash; <span class="vote-end">Ended 235d ago</span> <span class="todo">Polls are currently display only</span> </div> </div>

<p>Believe it or not: <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> is growing audio/video calls starting with the currently rolling 2.22 releases ... A few people already had two hour long stable calls :)</p><p>Calls are an experimental option while we continue to work on reliability, UX/UI revisions, and configuration of TURN servers on <a href="/tags/chatmail/" rel="tag">#chatmail</a> relays and in clients.</p><p>We want calls to reliably work across all major platforms, networks and phones, including <a href="/tags/ubuntutouch/" rel="tag">#UbuntuTouch</a></p><p>Feedback and debugging happens at <a href="https://support.delta.chat/t/help-testing-upcoming-delta-chat-release-with-calls/4220/17" rel="nofollow" class="ellipsis" title="support.delta.chat/t/help-testing-upcoming-delta-chat-release-with-calls/4220/17"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">support.delta.chat/t/help-test</span><span class="invisible">ing-upcoming-delta-chat-release-with-calls/4220/17</span></a></p>

<p>this is so cool! I ported to <a href="/tags/webxdc/" rel="tag">#webxdc</a> TIC-80 <a href="/tags/fantasy/" rel="tag">#fantasy</a> <a href="/tags/computer/" rel="tag">#computer</a> for making, playing and sharing tiny <a href="/tags/games/" rel="tag">#games</a> </p><p> you can import/export files with add/get commands!</p><p>with this you can create <a href="/tags/retro/" rel="tag">#retro</a> games in <a href="/tags/lua/" rel="tag">#lua</a>, <a href="/tags/fennel/" rel="tag">#fennel</a>, <a href="/tags/python/" rel="tag">#python</a>, <a href="/tags/ruby/" rel="tag">#ruby</a>, <a href="/tags/javascript/" rel="tag">#javascript</a> etc and play/share them with friends as in-chat apps in <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#DeltaChat</a> / <a href="/tags/arcanechat/" rel="tag">#ArcaneChat</a> </p><p>I would like to expose the webxdc API to TIC-80 games so they can do networking/multiplayer and send in-chat messages</p><p><a href="/tags/fantasyconsole/" rel="tag">#fantasyconsole</a> <a href="/tags/console/" rel="tag">#console</a> <a href="/tags/retrogaming/" rel="tag">#retrogaming</a> <a href="/tags/tic80/" rel="tag">#tic80</a> <a href="/tags/pico8/" rel="tag">#pico8</a></p>

<p>OH in some chaos circles &quot;<a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> is the new emacs of operating systems&quot; ...<br>We are not sure about that 😂 but what we do know is we are soon bringing out releases that we have been working towards for 12 months in multiple already released steps. The funniest thing? Nothing changes on the surface which was precisely what we worked for so long ... more soon, after internal testing and some pending bug fixes land :) and no worries, there will also be interesting visible changes. Stay tuned :)</p>

Um sich digital unabhängiger von den USA und &quot;Big Tech&quot; zu machen, bietet sich mit &quot;Delta Chat&quot; ein Messenger aus Deutschland an: <br><br>DeltaChat ist &quot;mehr&quot;, als ein reiner Messenger. <br><br>Er verfügt über einen &quot;XStore&quot;, über den neben kleinen Spielen weitere In-Apps genutzt werden können, wie zB <br>- To-Do-Liste <br>- Shopping-Liste <br>- Zeiterfassung <br>- Rechnungs-Aufteilung <br>- ein Mastodon Archive Reader, <br>- kollaborative Dokumenten-Bearbeitung <br>- gemeinsam nutzbare Kalender <br>- Umfragen (nicht geheim) <br>- und viel, viel mehr. <br><br>Hintergrund zur Funktionsweise der &quot;In-Chat-Apps&quot;: <br><a href="https://delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxdc-no-billionaires" rel="nofollow" class="ellipsis" title="delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxdc-no-billionaires"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxd</span><span class="invisible">c-no-billionaires</span></a> <br><br>Super-genial, gerade auch für Familien und Gruppen! <br><br>DeltaChat ist dabei sehr niederschwellig: <br>1. Installieren, <br>2. Account mit automatisch E2E-verschlüsselter E-Mail-Adresse erstellen,<br>3. Chatten. <br><br>- keine Rufnummer nötig, <br>- keine Logindaten, <br>- minimale Metadaten, <br>- usw. <br><br>Genial einfach. Sicher. Schnell. <br><br>Ladet ihn doch mal herunter und testet ihn, zB als &quot;Familien-Messenger&quot;: <br><a href="https://delta.chat" rel="nofollow"><span class="invisible">https://</span>delta.chat</a> <br><br><a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#DeltaChat</a> <a href="/tags/messenger/" rel="tag">#Messenger</a> <a href="/tags/unplugusa/" rel="tag">#UnplugUSA</a> <a href="/tags/europeanalternative/" rel="tag">#EuropeanAlternative</a> <a href="/tags/did/" rel="tag">#DiD</a> <a href="/tags/didit/" rel="tag">#DiDit</a> <a href="/tags/dud/" rel="tag">#DUD</a>

<p>Malauradament poques aplicacions mostren els anuncis però amb el<br>navegador es pot veure l&#x27;anunci on hi ha l&#x27;enllaç del grup mastodont.cat que tenim a <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#DeltaChat</a><br>És un grup per a usuaris d&#x27;aquest servidor on podem xatejar, provar Delta Chat, comentar temes sobre mastodont.cat etc</p>

<p>❇️ Em plau comunicar-vos la creació d&#x27;un servidor de <a href="/tags/xat/" rel="tag">#xat</a> per a <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#DeltaChat</a> a mastodont.cat. ❇️<br>Només cal instal·lar l&#x27;aplicació Delta Chat en el mòbil, tauleta o ordinador i visitar la pàgina per a obtenir-hi un perfil: </p><p><a href="https://xat.mastodont.cat" rel="nofollow"><span class="invisible">https://</span>xat.mastodont.cat</a></p><p>Delta Chat és una aplicació de <a href="/tags/missatgeriainstantània/" rel="tag">#MissatgeriaInstantània</a> que respecta la <a href="/tags/privacitat/" rel="tag">#privacitat</a> al màxim perquè xifra els missatges de persona a persona (també en els grups), és programari lliure i els seus servidors son federats.</p>

<p>Signal&#x27;s president claimed it takes billions to replicate the availability and reliability of &quot;hyperscalers&quot; (AWS/Google/Microsoft/Cloudfare) that Signal uses.</p><p><a href="/tags/chatmail/" rel="tag">#chatmail</a> and <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> are about disproving this claim by</p><p>1) making relays super cheap (DONE)</p><p>2) enabling chat profiles to use multiple relays redundantly (WIP)</p><p>3) distributing relay knowledge among chatters (TBD).</p><p>Fat servers, corporate overlords and billionaires: not needed and better to not exist for a convivial e2ee future :)</p>

<p><a href="/tags/chatcontrol/" rel="tag">#ChatControl</a> <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> <a href="/tags/talk2me/" rel="tag">#talk2me</a></p>

<p>I have a lot of respect for <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#DeltaChat</a> (<span class="h-card"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span>); By all accounts they provide a good looking client and a homogenize experience across platforms. Users absolutely don’t need to care about the underlying protocol!</p><p>However there is no way, shape or form in that IMAP+Submission is a more suitable stack for instant messaging than <a href="/tags/xmpp/" rel="tag">#XMPP</a>.</p>

<p>End-to-End Encryption is good but metadata protection counts as much. Names, group descriptions and memberships, avatars, who talks to whom ... </p><p>Both <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> and <a href="/tags/signal/" rel="tag">#signal</a> go to great length to protect all the metadata that WhatsApp grants itself gratuitously. <a href="/tags/matrix/" rel="tag">#Matrix</a> stores similar scales of metadata on their servers, even if you can choose which server stores it.</p><p>Everything is better than <a href="/tags/telegram/" rel="tag">#Telegram</a> which additionally stores message contents in all group chats/channels and most 1:1 chats.</p>

<p><a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> does </p><p>- no bindings to public handles/numbers</p><p>- no address-book upload </p><p>- not do public contact or group discovery</p><p>- not have critical persistent server state (!)</p><p>Social identification is private, between people though ephemeral <a href="/tags/p2p/" rel="tag">#P2P</a> <a href="/tags/e2ee/" rel="tag">#E2EE</a> messages.</p><p>Servers see messages with random sender and recipient addresses, but those can not be mapped to a phone number or public handle. Servers see IP addresses. But you can use Tor, or a VPN, if you want to hide that. </p><p>It&#x27; not all bad :)</p>

<p>A main technical and economic difference to <a href="/tags/matrix/" rel="tag">#matrix</a> servers/clients: <br>The family of <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> apps uses <a href="/tags/chatmail/" rel="tag">#chatmail</a> servers as ephemeral message transports that know nothing and forget everything: Servers don&#x27;t store group metadata or cryptographic identities<br>and delete messages after download by default. In effect, a 30EUR/month <a href="/tags/chatmail/" rel="tag">#chatmail</a> server with 10K&#x27;s of active users hums along with 2% IO and CPU pressure, 1GB RAM and negligible disk usage. No Pro-version or Kybernetes needed to scale ;)</p>

I wrote a <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#DeltaChat</a> blog post for technical users who are skeptical about how it works<br><br>Everything You Think You Know About DeltaChat Is Wrong<br><br><a href="https://blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/deltachat-is-actually-good-though/" rel="nofollow" class="ellipsis" title="blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/deltachat-is-actually-good-though/"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/del</span><span class="invisible">tachat-is-actually-good-though/</span></a><br><br><span class="h-card"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span>

<p>What is anno 2026 better for instant messaging? Think about the best combination of user experience/friendliness, privacy and security. I choose these two after researching decentralized Whatsapp/Signal alternatives.</p><p><a href="/tags/xmpp/" rel="tag">#XMPP</a> <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#DeltaChat</a> <a href="/tags/whatsapp/" rel="tag">#WhatsApp</a> <a href="/tags/signal/" rel="tag">#Signal</a> <a href="/tags/im/" rel="tag">#IM</a> <a href="/tags/instantmessaging/" rel="tag">#InstantMessaging</a> <a href="/tags/poll/" rel="tag">#poll</a></p> <div class="poll"> <h3 style="display: none;">Options: <small>(choose one)</small></h3> <ul> <li> <label class="poll-option"> <input style="display:none" name="vote-options" type="radio" value="0"> <span class="poll-number" title="20 votes">43%</span> <span class="poll-option-text">XMPP</span> </label> </li> <li> <label class="poll-option"> <input style="display:none" name="vote-options" type="radio" value="0"> <span class="poll-number" title="26 votes">57%</span> <span class="poll-option-text">DeltaChat</span> </label> </li> </ul> <div class="poll-footer"> <span class="vote-total">46 votes</span> &mdash; <span class="vote-end">Ended 54d ago</span> <span class="todo">Polls are currently display only</span> </div> </div>

<p>TheSauna is now on <span class="h-card"><a href="https://chaos.social/@delta" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>delta</span></a></span> - this chat should be bridged with the others... sooner or later... whenever i read the bot documentation haha</p><p>invite - ask!</p><p><a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> <a href="/tags/thesauna/" rel="tag">#thesauna</a> <a href="/tags/saunaicu/" rel="tag">#saunaicu</a></p>

<p>WRT <a href="/tags/discord/" rel="tag">#Discord</a>, there&#x27;s an effectively unsolvable conundrum we can&#x27;t really face, folks. We&#x27;d all like the high moral standards that are found in the <a href="/tags/opensource/" rel="tag">#OpenSource</a> community, when done right: nobody screwing each other over for their PII, and other forms of leverage (walled-garden lock-in). Geeks get this, normies don&#x27;t. (This gulf is very hard to cross, IMHO, without resorting to actual educational curriculum explaining it in schools.)</p><p>But then we have conflicting desires: we *also* want the buttery smoothness to a secure messaging ecosystem - total convenience, total functionality, *complete with a level-playing-field, &quot;Net Neutral&quot; infrastructure to run it on*, with no lobbied government or tech-bro interference skewing the traffic rules (QOS Rules). Good luck with that one, without strong gov&#x27;t control, and solid grassroots lobbying behind it.</p><p>Lets be honest: <a href="/tags/signal/" rel="tag">#Signal</a> is so great *because tens of millions of dollars were charitably spent on it*. Moxie didn&#x27;t do his genius work *for free*. Where are tens of millions of *more* dollars going to come from, to make a Discord alternative? Would that be nowhere? Look, there&#x27;s no quick and easy answers to Discord enshittifying. I&#x27;ve looked at <a href="/tags/xmpp/" rel="tag">#XMPP</a>, <a href="/tags/matrix/" rel="tag">#Matrix</a>, <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#Deltachat</a>, <a href="/tags/discourse/" rel="tag">#Discourse</a>, <a href="/tags/flarum/" rel="tag">#Flarum</a>, <a href="/tags/phpbb/" rel="tag">#PHPBB</a>, <a href="/tags/zulip/" rel="tag">#Zulip</a>, <a href="/tags/mattermost/" rel="tag">#Mattermost</a>, etc. and *each has its warts*. You&#x27;ll dislike each of them, for different reasons. Each paints itself into a different corner. *There were no tens of millions of dollars upfront, at an early design phase, overlooked by qualified Computer Scientists, to prevent this, in each and every case.* <a href="/tags/irc/" rel="tag">#IRC</a> doesn&#x27;t bear mention in this comparison. None is the perfect replacement or answer. *None had those tens of millions of dollars which Signal had.*</p><p>Alas, they don&#x27;t stand a chance to be the all-singing, all-dancing solutions that the techbros can finance, *along with their predictable, rotten lack of a moral compass to accompany the slickness.* Every non-geek teenager will side with the techbros, owing to 1) convenience, and 2) that&#x27;s where their friends are, *which mean the world to a teenager*.</p><p>So in summary, we are doomed by our own psychological limitations, as a demographic. The psychological predators - the techbros - can&#x27;t help but prey on the normies, and the normies can&#x27;t help but turn to the predators, who at least offer convenience, if no other thing. And the geeks who have a moral compass stand in the middle, ignored by-and-large, feeling anxious and powerless, not having any tens of millions of dollars behind their altruism.</p><p><a href="/tags/infosec/" rel="tag">#infosec</a></p><p><a href="/tags/cassandrasyndrome/" rel="tag">#CassandraSyndrome</a> <a href="/tags/actuallyautistic/" rel="tag">#actuallyAutistic</a> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://fedigroups.social/@autistics" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>autistics</span></a></span></p>

<p>V2 <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> is rolling out after weeks of internal testing, a major milestone revising how end-to-end encryption works and bringing more beautiful contact and group profiles, direct access to chat-shared apps in the title bar and a &quot;new email&quot; action with setting a subject for those using a classic server. </p><p>Best of all, users and developers don&#x27;t need to co-ordinate anything for upgrading to V2 despite the massive security rework behind the scenes :)</p><p><a href="https://delta.chat/en/2025-08-04-encryption-v2" rel="nofollow" class="ellipsis" title="delta.chat/en/2025-08-04-encryption-v2"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">delta.chat/en/2025-08-04-encry</span><span class="invisible">ption-v2</span></a></p>

<p>Are there any communication/texting apps or software that are confirmed not to use any AI or LLMs in their code or coding process? Software with clear no-AI policies?</p><p>Self-hosting, E2EE, and open source would also be good, but for now I&#x27;m just wondering if there are any anti-AI chat app lists out there.</p><p><a href="/tags/antiai/" rel="tag">#AntiAI</a> <a href="/tags/noai/" rel="tag">#NoAI</a> <a href="/tags/discord/" rel="tag">#Discord</a> <a href="/tags/xmpp/" rel="tag">#XMPP</a> <a href="/tags/jabber/" rel="tag">#Jabber</a> <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#DeltaChat</a> <a href="/tags/irc/" rel="tag">#IRC</a> <a href="/tags/nollm/" rel="tag">#NoLLM</a> <a href="/tags/nollms/" rel="tag">#NoLLMs</a></p>

<p>从 @th0mas@pawoo.net 转生<br><a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#DeltaChat</a> 邀请请看个人资料短链接</p>

<p><a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> Desktop can now run on Firefox and Safari, entirely avoiding Electron and Chromium! It&#x27;s an intended side-effect of the &quot;porting Desktop to Tauri&quot; effort led by <span class="h-card"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@treefit" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>treefit</span></a></span> which aims to provide a non-Electron packaged version of the Desktop. Here is a video and deep dive into what&#x27;s working on regular browsers now, and what&#x27;s missing for a full Web version: <a href="https://delta.chat/en/2025-05-22-browser-edition" rel="nofollow" class="ellipsis" title="delta.chat/en/2025-05-22-browser-edition"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">delta.chat/en/2025-05-22-brows</span><span class="invisible">er-edition</span></a></p>

<p>To Καφενείο group στο <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> με καθημερινό wordle, miniblog σας περιμένει.</p>

<p>Some people in <a href="/tags/iran/" rel="tag">#Iran</a> successfully use delta with national email providers when outside Internet is cut. </p><p><a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> designs are <a href="/tags/offlinefirst/" rel="tag">#OfflineFirst</a> using delay tolerant protocols. Messages are queued when a path is blocked. email servers are made for this and run at planetary scale.<br>Messages crossing the border may arrive three days later but they arrive. </p><p>Peoples can stay in private touch across time and space, to the extent possible in current breakdown times. Which is what delta is about.</p>

<p>We are basically doing what <a href="/tags/signal/" rel="tag">#signal</a> and in particular moxie refused to do or declares impossible: federation. </p><p>Both <a href="/tags/email/" rel="tag">#email</a> and <a href="/tags/activitypub/" rel="tag">#activitypub</a> ecosystems are all about federation. </p><p>However, <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#deltachat</a> is vertically centralized in that all UIs use the same <a href="/tags/rust/" rel="tag">#rust</a> core which implements all networking, encryption, chat/group/message logic in a single centralized place. The now 40+ <a href="/tags/chatmail/" rel="tag">#chatmail</a> mail relay network is driven from centralized code. </p><p>At each level replication and federation is built in.</p>

<p>Hice un vídeo para que puedas enviárselo a tus personas cercanas, explicando lo fácil que es dejar <a href="/tags/whatsapp/" rel="tag">#WhatsApp</a>, y por qué es importante hacerlo. 💬 </p><p><a href="https://fediverse.tv/w/35Lvufq1XW8ZVBTptzYMDS" rel="nofollow" class="ellipsis" title="fediverse.tv/w/35Lvufq1XW8ZVBTptzYMDS"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">fediverse.tv/w/35Lvufq1XW8ZVBT</span><span class="invisible">ptzYMDS</span></a> (<span class="h-card"><a href="https://fediverse.tv/accounts/ivangj" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ivangj</span></a></span>)<br>También disponible en YouTube por si quieres evitar rozamientos 😅.</p><p><a href="/tags/softwarelibre/" rel="tag">#SoftwareLibre</a> <a href="/tags/peertube/" rel="tag">#PeerTube</a> <a href="/tags/chat/" rel="tag">#Chat</a> <a href="/tags/signal/" rel="tag">#Signal</a> <a href="/tags/xmpp/" rel="tag">#XMPP</a> <a href="/tags/deltachat/" rel="tag">#DeltaChat</a> <a href="/tags/matrix/" rel="tag">#Matrix</a></p>